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Or just code somewhere where people are building infrastructures, tulpas were a hot topic a little bit ago, but public design and research kind of went away

7:49 PM

There’s plurtoolkit which seems to be getting active development

Pluralkit?

do you mean as-in like, useful software for plurality?

7:50 PM

or something else

7:51 PM

because in that case yes there's pluralkit/tupperbox/multiplex for proxying bots

7:52 PM

there's also simply plural which exists for other things (https://github.com/ApparyllisOrg/SimplyPluralApi) (edited)

There's pluralkit and tupperbox, which allow for multiple "pseudo-accounts" by the use of webhooks. There's also Simply Plural, which is an app used for storing information about headmates, tracking switches, and friending other plural systems.

There are also things like time share apps/schedules. For DID there is more I believe particulary to deal with amnesia issues by use of log books of a sort

There are proxy bots aside from PK and Tupper, but they gain less use, or are used by non-tulpa plural communities.

7:54 PM

You could agrue that the mobile app "Antar" is also a plural app

7:54 PM

It's marketed as an approach to understanding yourself better by speaking to your "innerworld", and I've seen systems use it with a more plural approach than what it was marketed as initially.

I've never heard of software design being biblically influenced... that's definitely the oddest concept I've seen this month

You should check out temple os... it's based on a schizophrenic guy's interpretation of some bible temple thing He programmed the entire os himself from scratch

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That guy is actually a genius, ngl.

Yeah

Like sure, his OS is kind of strange, and he didn't accept much criticism, but the fact he did what he did at the time was absurdly intelligent.

Yeah and the fact that it's mostly programmed in a language he wrote himself

8:09 PM

HolyC

8:09 PM

I have temple os on a vm and it's really neat to explore

8:10 PM

Super easy to install too

Didn’t he just die recently? Made me sad to hear about

He's deceased, but I'm not sure when he died.

Apparently he passed in 2018

I've never heard of software design being biblically influenced... that's definitely the oddest concept I've seen this month

@Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 - jump TempleOS

hm?

if you think that journalling will make your tulpa want to take credit for your writing it will make you a tulpa that will be like that

11:09 PM

personality forcing doesn't need to be intentional, and that's what you would be potentially doing

11:10 PM

in short, self fulfilling prophecy

No, never heard of it

Ah plurkit has about 40 devs

11:19 PM

Software uses .net with 3 different databases and discord integration

~~this isn't really ontopic for this channel anymore~~

11:19 PM

but yeah pk is

11:19 PM

overcomplicated

11:19 PM

even for the scale it's presumably at

so they had 1dev per line of code

What do you mean??

11:33 PM

To be quite frank, I'm not sure I understand most of what you're talking about, nor why it's here.

general-chat or tulpa-discussion would be more appropriate place for those topics

Seconding this. Not too sure why this is in research if it's a general query.

Drake (DustyAngel47)

even for the scale it's presumably at

I hate how I can't edit it while using my pseudo account

3:11 AM

The messages

pk;e ?

Spectrum ↩️

Reply to: The messages

3:11 AM

(no I did not look at context yet)

I'll try that..?

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

general-chat or tulpa-discussion would be more appropriate place for those topics

Third this.

there is a way to edit your bot messages just no one remembers how or bothers to do it

you do pk;e (link(is optional)) (insert edited message) And you can put the link in, reply to the message, or it’ll default to your last message

Ah thanks

Yw. do you at least know how to delete messages too?

(react with ❌)

mhm

3:20 AM

oh and, a useful tip If you want to edit a pluralkit message in a slow mode channel, Take it to pluralkit’s DMs and do the command there!

3:21 AM

and it will react with ✅ to let you know it worked.

You can react with ❓ to know who sent it as well

Please remember this is #tulpa-research .

Skyler 🐉

Yw. do you at least know how to delete messages too?

Yeah.

A long kiss goodnight

Please remember this is #tulpa-research .

Yep.

7:43 AM

So if we are going to continue this let's please move this to another channel

Okay, so I'm interested in working on a tulpa census and after talking to the staff I think it's possible to create and then turn around an actual survey by the end of the summer. I already have a list of questions in hand, so I'll basically just be making tweaks to pre-existing work. That being said, I'm curious what questions you guys want to know about tulpas and tulpamancers. The one caviat is I will NOT be polling minors. I believe it's unethical to get survey data from a minor on the internet

I think a large number of tulpamancers are under eighteen. If I had to guess, you'd be missing out on at least a quarter of the community as a whole.

3:16 AM

Which could greatly skew data, since I do believe young people and old people have slightly differing experiences with the practice due to life experience and general maturity on-average.

3:17 AM

That being said, I do think general queries on age, country of origin, sexuality and gender identity (of both host and tulpa(s)), religious affiliation, that kind of thing would be interesting to see. Which groups tend to be more inclined to start making tulpas, et cetera.

3:18 AM

As well as more tulpa-centric questions such as what form the tulpa takes, how old it is, and how long it took to become vocal.

3:18 AM

Oh! And whether or not the person creating the tulpa is already a system or not. (And if so, whether they're medically recognized or not.)

3:19 AM

Adding onto this, you could also ask if having a tulpa has visibly improved or hindered the host's life, as well as asking the host what it was that made them want to make a tulpa in the first place.

3:22 AM

I think you can ethically survey minors so long as you're sure not to collect potentially compromising data, as well as leaving all participants wholly anonymous. So long as they're briefed on what to expect beforehand and not forced to participate, I see less of an issue doing so, especially since the Redditulpas census did the same thing with no reported issues

Yeah, as long as you don't collect PI, polling minors is perfectly ethical and in fact generates much more diverse results!

I believe that by disallowing minors, your results won't be as indicative of the total population than if you did.

3:28 AM

Alternatively, if there are any more mature questions, you could leave it behind an age-wall and allow minors to answer the more general polls

Even just standard survey participation, you really shouldn't just give kids surveys on the internet https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/06/21/the-challenges-of-conducting-surveys-on-youths/ https://www.srcd.org/about-us/ethical-principles-and-standards-developmental-scientists https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/childrens-online-privacy-protection-rule-six-step-compliance-plan-your-business

Pew Research Center

The challenges of conducting surveys of youth

Research with minors presents some unique challenges, ranging from getting the necessary legal permissions to reaching interviewees at a time that use of mobile phones is growing.

Ethical Principles and Standards for Developmental Scientists | Soc...

Children’s Online Privacy Protection Rule: A Six-Step Compliance Pl...

When it comes to the collection of personal information from children under 13, the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) puts parents in control. The Federal Trade Commission, the nation’s consumer protection agency, enforces the COPPA Rule, which spells out what operators of websites and online services must do to protect children’...

3:30 AM

Basically, if you can't get a parent to sign it OR COPPA doesn't know you exist, it's a no go

Coppa says it's only for kids under 13 that rhe rule applies though

That is true, I wouldn't poll anyone 12 and under period

3:36 AM

Most of what I am finding is saying if you are working with minors (even teenagers), I still need a signature from a parent. I don't see anything that says I can survey teens and not be liable for trouble

3:37 AM

I don't really want to set up a problem for the tulpa community in the future, especially if we can get real scientists to come in and survey minors (who would be able to actually do it and do it correctly)

I don't think there'd be any trouble but if you're really worried it's your choice

Bennett ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

I believe that by disallowing minors, your results won't be as indicative of the total population than if you did.

Luminesce: Maybe a hot take, but I think the results will be better if it's an 18+ survey. (edited)

3:38 AM

I kind of don't want my 14 year old self giving any takes on tulpamancy.

3:40 AM

Plurality in longer-lasting and settled-in systems (well, even if they're newish to plurality and simply have reached adulthood) is a lot more practicable to learn from than what young teens are going through, from my experience (edited)

In that case we could exclude young teens and make it 16+ maybe?

3:45 AM

Though 18+ could be more reliable still

Luminesce: Any other age feels arbitrary, though 16+ is still better (edited)

3:46 AM

If it's a serious survey though and not just a local community thing, I do think 18+ is for the best

Hmm, this is pointing out it's more of a gray area: https://campusirb.duke.edu/irb-policies/research-children

3:49 AM

I think it would be pretty easy to argue a tulpa community is a "community" and one where it's not really appropriate for parents to know about it... (?)

Luminesce: I don't want to be rude, but I kind of mean it, I just don't have much faith in the value of the reported experiences of young teens (edited)

3:50 AM

Both my own experience and all those I've seen grow up over the last decade tell me they're not quiiite so great to take at face value

Reisen

Luminesce: I don't want to be rude, but I kind of mean it, I just don't have much faith in the value of the reported experiences of young teens (edited)

If I can do minors, then what I can do is give the full version vs the adult only version

I never consider stuff like that, I'm dumb

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Hey, that's what this discussion is for!

Not really

Luminesce: Yeah if you can easily separate total results from 18+ results then it's fine (edited)

but yeah, data can be sorted

I didn't think about that either! (edited)

based on adult vs child vs everyone

3:52 AM

That's how most studies learn about correlations :)

Luminesce: The reported experiences of teens are still valuable, I just didn't want their results mixed with adults' (edited)

(not child vs adult specifically, but by sorting data)